Ep. 2 - Hakeem Jerome Jefferson

Welcome back welcome back! This week AP and Jay discuss respectability politics in relation to how black people are viewed in the media (yes it’s TANGENTIALLY related to The Slap but it’s worth a listen). In AP’s second installment of Into the Sound Booth we deep dive into Lucky Daye’s discography and AP’s experience seeing Lucky Daye live in Philly.

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AP  0:10  
What's poppin y'all. Welcome back to the AP and Jay Show. I'm your boy AP, you already know

Jay  0:16  
 and I'm Jay what's poppin You know what's up

AP  0:20  
what we get into today Jay.

Jay  0:21  
Ah Man, you know what we bout to get into well, first of all, I would personally like to apologize for the delay. Your boy got COVID and I was not feeling well this weekend. So I told, I told AP I was like, Hey, man, I can't I can't do this weekend. I'm sorry. That's normally when we record so that's that's on me, that's my bad y'all. 

AP  0:43  
It's all good. Life happens and 

Jay  0:45  
don't ever 

AP  0:45  
other things happen to so ya know

Jay  0:47  
I'm never going, never going to a baseball game ever again. I'm never I'm never doing it. I will never go to another baseball game, 

AP  0:53  
not with the Caucasian, the caucuses. 

Jay  0:56  
I got tempted, but I won't lie that game was pretty hype the Orioles played the the the Giants and we beat the Giants

AP  1:04  
oh snap

Jay  1:04  
It was pretty was pretty hype because the Giants were really good

AP  1:06  
 straight up.

Jay  1:07  
 And it was all because it was all because of me. The first baseball game I go to the Orioles beat the best team in the MLB. So

so nice.

AP  1:16  
 I still never been to a baseball game. But that's all you. So what we getting in to man?

Jay  1:23  
Yeah, so today we're about to get into some really interesting things we're about to get into respectability politics, which we'll talk about in a couple of minutes. And we're also going to be talking about one of AP's favorite artists: Mr. Lucky Daye.

AP  1:37  
You already know today's your lucky day because we bout to talk about Lucky Daye ooo 

Jay  1:43  
 that was a good one 

AP  1:43  
don't let me. Don't let me do it to them too fast now.

Jay  1:46  
 Someone stop this man. Someone stop him.

AP  1:49  
He's too hot he's too hot.

Jay  1:51  
But yeah, just a couple couple quick things before we get into it, though. Yes, we did see Mike Tyson punch that dude on the plane. We did see it.

AP  2:01  
 That's crazy. And he deserved it. 

Jay  2:02  
He deserved it. 

AP  2:03  
He 100% deserved it 

Jay  2:05  
public privacy thing, man. It's the public privacy. 

AP  2:07  
See, You know it's crazy. Because Mike Tyson he had a quote saying that don't believe everything you see on social media because he's like, if you come to me in public, you're goin get hit. Like he said that previously so

Jay  2:19  
 he warned him, he warned him 

AP  2:20  
So Hey, he was about it. He was about it

Jay  2:21  
Buddy didn't listen. 

AP  2:23  
Exactly. Personal space people personal

Jay  2:25  
 personal space and public privacy. Remember that. Also, shout out the homies in Frankfurt, Germany. Y'all still going strong on the Episodes

AP  2:33  
Hey, hey

Jay  2:34  
I have no idea who you are but thank you so much for your support. Fly us out

AP  2:37  
Hey listen, my Dad said there might be an army base or like a military base out there. I don't care. We know your German we love y'all

Jay  2:44  
We love y'all 

AP  2:45  
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Jay  2:50  
shooooot 

AP  2:50  
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Jay  2:54  
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AP  2:56  
you never know. 

Jay  2:57  
Could you imagine how terrible that would be, a live podcast.

AP  3:00  
That would be terrible. We have to do

Jay  3:02  
That would be awful 

Meet and Greet

AP  3:03  
Come see us

Jay  3:05  
How y'all doin today

AP  3:02  
I don't even you know what we, see at least like TMG Tiny Meat Gang like Cody Ko and Noel at least they have like comedy, like their shows, like a comedy show. But like if we went, it would just be a, a meet and greet.

Hey who wants to play, who wants to go play basketball at the local Y or something? 

Jay  3:22  
Play basketball at the Y

AP  3:25  
Hey who wants to go do something real quick. I don't know. That's gonna be it.

Jay  3:30  
 It's just like, imagine people pay $300 like a ticket to like, fly all the way out there. And it's just us talking about nothing. And we're all ummmm, uhhhhh

AP  3:38  
It's just us goin hey wassup, how you doin, add me on Snapchat, maybe we could be friends

Jay  3:47  
followers

AP  3:48  
Hit us up on TikTok. Yeah, hey do that do that. 

Jay  3:52  
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AP  4:00  
You did, you did props and props to the man Jay for that. 

Jay  4:03  
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AP  4:13  
 Yes. 

Jay  4:14  
Alright, so let's get into some respectability politics. So

AP  4:17  
alright. 

Jay  4:18  
The term Well, first of all, AP put me on to thisword. I didn't know what the term was. I had I had the concept in my mind, but he actually put me on to the what it's actually called in defining it. Sent me some links to get me educated on it because we do our research. 

AP  4:36  
Yes, sir.

Jay  4:36  
 Cause we are Educated boys who got degrees and we do our research. 

AP  4:39  
Yea senior year AFAM, African American Studies for one of my senior seminar courses.I had to write a paper on this. I wish I had that paper. I'm pretty sure it might have been a blog post. I don't know. But I did do the research. Didn't have any links, but I knew what I was looking for. So

Jay  4:53  
 add our Patreon to find the essay that

AP  4:57  
Yeah, 

Jay  4:58  
the tier three members, the tier three members get exclusive access to AP's college essays.

AP  5:04  
I got a whole a whole flash drive worth of them. So, I got pretty good grades so

Jay  5:08  
this man still use flash drives that's crazy. Buy an SSD like a normal person.

AP  5:11  
yes I use flash drives I'm old school, I'm old school. Like they 64 gigabytes, they're like 64 gigabytes they the big ones

Jay  5:21  
 you can fit like a single iPhone game on there. Crazy. 64 gigabytes

AP  5:28  
I got like 4 64 gigabyte flash drives Okay. I'm old school

Jay  5:33  
um, right. So the so the term respectability politics is actually got sort of a two fold thing going on there. respectability politics goes hand in hand with what's called respectability narratives. And you kind of use the narratives that define the politics. So we'll get into that first. So respectability narrative, basically defined as marginalized individuals traits that are depicted as respectable by the dominant group, class, whatever. And that's just a general term because it applies to many different things it can be can apply to gender, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, whatever.And then that kind of goes into respectability politics, which basically utilizes those narratives as a basis for establishing and enacting social, political and legal changes.

AP  6:26  
So basically,I was gonna get to the origin. So respectability politics as a term, it first originated from Professor Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham. Awesome. Last Name, just shout that out. She wrote a book in 1993.

Jay  6:42  
Oh I though you said Higginbottom

AP  6:45  
Higginbotham, did I say bottom?

Jay  6:46  
Yea Higginbotha, yea I think you said, bottom

AP  6:49  
Botham, bottom, they're very similar, but her name is Professor Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham sorry, if I mess that up. She wrote a book in 1993, called the Righteous Discontent: the Women's Movement in the Black Baptist Church from 1880 to 1920. Basically, she was looking at the way that respectability narratives by Black Baptist Women were used to try to counter the images of Black Americans, Black Americans as being lazy, shiftless, stupid, and immoral, in the quote unquote, popular culture. And that appeals to both societal appearances or societal acceptance and being accepted into the mainstream society, and also how it equals legal protection. So so not only are they going to be accepted by their peers, but they'll also be protected under the law. 

Jay  7:42  
Yeah. So basically, respectability politics is a means of keeping these marginalized groups down. And in the articles that we read for this, the general under, the general message of it is basically these, they don't change the status quo. They're always evaluated by the dominant group, and that evaluation is always changing. So no matter how hard they try, you will never get to that level that the dominant group is at. Because

AP  8:16  
 Exactly,

Jay  8:17  
 they will always change the rules is that thing where, you know, Black people are always saying, We got to work twice as hard to get half as far. It's that's that's the type that that's like respectability politics, basically, respectability narratives,

AP  8:27  
 you can always, like, regardless of how close you are or the closer you are to white supremacy, basically, that's what I'm talking about, the closer you are, the closer you are to whiteness, the more you will be deemed as respectable, but you will never truly be respected. If that makes sense. Because you're still a part of the marginalized, marginalized group,

Jay  8:50  
but it's also it's not even just it's not even just whiteness, at least regarding like respectability narratives that can actually be done in-group. So you'll have like, you know, those hatin ass black folks who are always telling, you know, like, you know, pull your pants like Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby, for example. I forgot that was

AP  9:06  
The pound cake speech,

Jay  9:07  
 the pound cake speech, basically. So basically, he, you probably heard of his, but he was blaming people who like get involved in gang violence, because it's like, oh, well, they were there in the, you know, why was he holding the pound cake? It's his fault. When it's like, he's like, that's not why that's not why this is happening. It's a whole bunch of other things that are causing this to happen that are the reasons why they get involved and stuff like this. And why is it that happens not because their pants are falling down? Or they're named like, I don't know what's a give me a real black dudes name. Stereotypical black dudes named Jerome.

AP  9:41  
Uh, Yeah, Jerome Johnson. 

Jay  9:43  
I think they said I think they made fun of like that Sharkiesha thing. They put that in there as a, as a joke in the article. But they're saying that this can happen in-group. So basically, you can have in-group ostra, ostracization of the, you know, people who don't meet those narratives.or those traits that the white people deem acceptable. And then they will then ostracized then they will be, they'll be like a class within the class.

AP  10:08  
 Yea 

Jay  10:08  
Which is Nuts. So basically, that have to,

AP  10:12  
but still though, yeah, I was gonna say that's stilldeemed as being closeness or deemed as being close to whiteness, because it's anti black racism, even though it's within, even though it's a part of the in-group or not in group, but people within the marginalized group hating on and not deeming other people within that group as being respectable, it's still being a closeness to whiteness, just from an ideology standpoint.

Jay  10:41  
It also basically respectability politics only benefits the group that's in power. And it's just, it's just another of the many, many systems of oppression that we have in this country.But the thing is, those narratives don't really do anything is the problem, and will actually serve to suppress the identity of the marginalized group, like you, you turn you end up, they end up losing their identity, because they keep trying to change themselves to fit this. It's like fitting a square peg into a round hole is kind of how I like to think about it. It's like, yeah, you can get it in there, but you're going to change the shape of the thing that you're putting into the, into the peg, you know. They were saying that, like, especially with this in-group ostracization, there is a professor Hakeem Jerome Jefferson, which is a black ass name that is

AP  11:34  
 that's a G right there. That's a G. 

Jay  11:35  
That's a Thats a G right there  I bet if you look at him, he's got the Frederick Frederick Douglass like beard and like the, like the salt and pepper beard and the hair that's like this big. He's got them old glasses. 

AP  11:35  
What's his name, like Colin. Not that, that I forgot the professor, Professor West Allen like Cornell, I forgot his first name. Wow. But he looks just like, What you're thinking of light skinned though. Looks just like that. Cornell West. No, yeah, Cornell West. I'm gonna Google it. I'm pretty sure I know It's Cornel West. But anyways, as he was saying,

Jay  12:12  
okay, but he was saying that in, in black communities in group policing basically comes from this ideological positioning that that racial inequality came from was our fault. Like, because we looked a certain way, dress a certain way talked a certain way. That was why we were being suppressed by the white people instead of looking at the actual issue, which was the various legislative may, means of oppression that was in the government. It wasn't because we were doing this that and the third it was because literally it was coming from the top down, not from the bottom up

AP  12:48  
 exactly.

Jay  12:48  
 That's kind of what these respectability narratives do. Is they distract from the real issue at hand.

AP  12:57  
Yea, so Yeah, respectability politics does little to address any type of systemic issue or problem, or any type of actual positive way to deal with those systemic issues. One thing I was gonna bring up because we're talking about it, instead of challenging the, this was again, from one of the articles that we looked into, so it says, instead of challenging the dominant groups, normative standards, in group policing reinforces the idea that marginalized individuals must earn the right to be treated fairly. And then once you think of that, with people being deemed as having negative stereotypes, for individuals, and marginalized groups, this is something really important that I think should be brought up. So for people in marginalized groups, just one action, all it takes is just one action. Or if you have one characteristic that is deemed worthy of being not respected, or unrespectable. That's all it takes. That's all it takes for you to fall outside. 

Jay  13:57  
Just one thing

AP  13:58  
 that's that's all it takes for you to fall outside the established respectability narratives, again, that we've been talking about. So I think that's really important. When you think of how black people are treated in the media, when it comes to if someone's being, if someone was killed, shot by the police, but then they bring up their criminal record, or they bring up oh they had marijuana on them. Again, all it takes is one bad characteristic one, one bad thing to happen.  And then, and then I don't want to bring up the slap again. But this is something that caused us to have this conversation

Jay  14:34  
we said we would talk about it, but it always seems to

AP  14:35  
we said we weren't gonna talk about it. But this is what because we had a full on conversation about this. And this is where I told him about the term respectability politics because, like we we thought there was a very, very generational difference in the way that people saw the slap because I know a lot of people in our younger generations, a lot of people and like in like in ourgeneration, so that's a young... Gen Z and millennials I was thinking a generationals and I was like that's not the right word.

Jay  14:38  
generationals

AP  14:40  
 So I was like young millennial millennials, and Gen Z specifically saw the slap as him like sticking up for his woman, and they didn't see any real problem with it. But like, a lot of older people, especially older black people, like completely, like saw this as being completely disrespectful, and 

Jay  15:30  
yup,

AP  15:31  
 and there is no call for it at all. Even though Chris Rock had a history of making fun of Jada Pinkett Smith, even if she wasn't even at the specific event or venue that that he was at. So like, everyone's like, Oh, yeah, he's been talking about his wife like that crazy as all get out for a long time. He deserve to get slapped. But respectability politics come in mind because a lot of old people saw that as like, Oh, wow. Like, you can't do that in front of all these white people

Jay  15:57  
embarrassing us in front of the white people. Yeah. 

AP  15:59  
And then a lot of white people saw again, that one action, like cause Will Smith had like a 30 year career clean as, clean slate

Jay  16:07  
he's one of the Golden boys of Hollywood he's one of the nicest men

AP  16:10  
. But he does one thing

Jay  16:11  
spotless career one thing,

AP  16:13  
yea he does one thing in his 30 year career

Jay  16:15  
he's lost so many movies, he's lost.

AP  16:17  
 He get, he was taken out of the academy can't go back to the Oscars for like 10 years, people thought about taking his academy award away, like all this over one little thing. And the fact is, he didn't, it wasn't like he beat up Chris Rock. He like open palm, slapped him once, and then walk back. So again, like I didn't wanna,

Jay  16:35  
it's not funny I shouldn't laugh

AP  16:38  
we don't want to keep talking about this but,

Jay  16:40  
the form of it was so funny, like the screenshot of him with his body just like

AP  16:45  
everybody hates chris. That one meme was a hilarious? Okay, I digress.I digress. 

Jay  16:54  
We're done.

AP  16:55  
Right. We don't want to keep bringing it up. But that like this topic specifically was brought to our attention because of that. So you can't not bring it up. But yeah, crazy stuff, right? That's what four years of being an academia does to you start talking about respectability politics on a podcast.

Jay  17:16  
But there's this so yeah, that kind of kind of bouncing off that it also sort of ties into professionalism, as well, which is more a little more relevant for people our age, because we're starting to get into the workforce starting to get jobs, you know, starting to get into, you know, higher levels of academia, higher level positions, etc.

AP  17:37  
Great stuff.

Jay  17:38  
Especially for you know, black people, people of color, honestly, any, any ethnicity. I remember I saw this one thing online about this. This woman who was being Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, that was about something else. But it was about a facial tattoo, but she was indigenous. He was indigenous. And it's this facial tattoo is basically a thin gray line that goes down here. But that was that was about something else. So I apologize. But we know it's it, but it can be anything. It's um, like, you know, some facial tattoos are part of people like Maori culture, facial tattoos would be out of that. But would that fly here? who knew? I couldn't find any examples of that? But Probably? Probably not. And then it also comes down to like the names there were, there's different statistics where there's a lower probability, people who have black sounding names, are taken into second and third interviews as a What was it like 15 20% less than people who are named like John or Sarah, or something that's very generic and white sounding?

 Yeah. And also like hair.

AP  18:44  
Yeah, and hiar specifically, is like, I want to say is a really big factor when it comes to the way black people are treated in professional settings and the office. But again, I didn't do as much research as I wanted to, because we would have diverted off the topic too much. But what I did see could be potential for another episode, but there's a long history of specifically Afro type hairstyles being deemed as unprofessional. So you have people getting Jheri curls, and I forgot what the term was. But basically, you know, like the 1920s to 1940s. Like every black man had their hair slicked back. There was a there was a term for it.

Jay  19:23  
Umm

AP  19:23  
But I can't remember

Jay  19:23  
yea I don't konw 

AP  19:24  
But I can't remember what the term was. 

Jay  19:27  
That's not a jheri. No, that's not Jheri curl.

AP  19:29  
No, I forgot it started with like a C but that's that's something but there's there's specific hairstyles and you know, straightening your hair that are then deemed as being more professional because they're closer to the way that white people's hair specifically looks. So there's a whole history of how professionalism as like a term and a word is very much again, just like respectability politics is rooted in white supremacy and like the idea of white favoritism and how people see something as being professional is also seeing something as being white, some crazy, crazy stuff.

Jay  20:13  
Yea, it's how they set the standard. And then uh but there are some ways that you can combat respectability politics. Number one, you got to reject the acceptance of the dominant group as the end goal. So you got to stop using them as a standard putting them on a pedestal,

AP  20:29  
we will not conform, my mom raised me on that we will not conform, 

Jay  20:33  
we will not conform

AP  20:34  
shoutout to my mom's because she, that's that's facts.

Jay  20:37  
Yeah, and I put that on Alex's mom's, I put that on Miss, Pet-. Miss Pettit, anyway. Second, one uh, you gotta recognize that the acceptance of a dominant group does not guarantee safety. So even if you do everything that you're supposed to do, that doesn't mean that you're going to get it. So you've just given up your culture, you've given up important things that are crucial to your identity. And then you you there's, you know, 50 50 chance that you're actually going to get what you're looking for. 

AP  21:11  
Nothing.

Jay  21:12  
 Got except this is for the this is for the people who enforce respectability politics, this one's for you, accpet that all individuals are worthy of rights, basic, 

AP  21:23  
yeah

Jay  21:23  
, food, shelter, safety, whatever. 

AP  21:25  
Everything

Jay  21:26  
 is not determined by the respectability in your eyes.

AP  21:29  
 Exactly. 

Jay  21:29  
Then you got to educate yourself on the history of the prejudices, know where they come from, so you can know how to identify them and reject them. Then you also need to, this also applies honestly, this kind of applies to me, everyone has their own personal biases and prejudices, you've got to look at yourself in the mirror and scrutinize the things that you find acceptable and why you think that they're important and respectable. So traits that you see in other people, you look you're like, I think that that's a person that I'd respect to have a conversation with. Look in the mirror and think about why why do I believe that? That's how that is? Where does this come from? Examine the negative stereotypes that you hold, and why, who taught them to you? Where'd you learn them from? Why do you believe them, etc? Why do you think that they're true? Ask yourself those questions. Focus on underlying issues that respectability politics are attempting to address. It's like, you know, lack of housing and food insecurity, police brutality, drug use, it said, such such man I, this gets me so triggered

AP  22:31  
all the systemic issues that we talk about, all rooted.

Jay  22:37  
And then last, but certainly not least, actively engage when others use respectability politics as an excuse for harm, or inaction by challenging and revealing their baseline prejudices. And we will put the article that we got this information from in the description so you can read it for yourself. 

AP  22:53  
There's a couple,

Jay  22:54  
 there's a couple. Then you got to focus on. Why, like what is the real problem that you really want to address? Like, what is the actual root cause instead of being distracted by these narratives focus on what the actual issue is, and that is how you actually combat them? 

AP  23:12  
Yeah. 

Jay  23:14  
alRight, we should probably stop we got five minutes left

AP  23:14  
Listen to that man Jay. Okay. Listen to that man. Alright.

Jay  23:19  
Alright, so we're gonna take a neck breaking  turn from being yourself and loving yourself and not letting the man keep you down into some, some feel good. You know, getting the Snuggie get a little weird light some candles, r&b music, one of AP's favorite artists, Mr. Sensational Lucky Daye.

AP  23:48  
Yes, sir. So like Jay said, we jumping into the sound booth for the homie Lucky Daye today. So before we, you know, talk about any of his music, you know, just wanna give a quick shout out a little bit about the man. So Lucky Daye, originally from New Orleans, Louisiana. And you could tell he's from New Orleans. And he's from Nola from New Orleans. You could tell he's from New Orleans in the way that he presents himself and also you can hear it in the music how he has very deep roots, in like jazz and soul specifically from that Southern New Orleans Louisiana region. His original name, not originally his actual name, not a stage name. 

Jay  24:30  
Lukishias Davesong

AP  24:31  
What? his actual name is David Debrandon Brown, which is funny because brown very common last name. my cousins Last name is brown. Again, if you didn't know he's a modern r&b soul singer. He was He established himself as a singer songwriter all the way back in 08 09. So in the early 2000s

Jay  24:58  
 He's been around

AP  24:59  
 so he's been around All right, because if you didn't know that means like 37 years old right now

Jay  24:59  
 He does not look it He does not look at first

AP  25:03  
 he doesn't know he looks good. Black don't crack. That'slike that's all i gotta say

Jay  25:09  
Black don't crack 

AP  25:09  
 the first time I saw him I thought he was like 25 

Jay  25:11  
Yeah same same

AP  25:12  
Then i googled him,like, That means 37

Jay  25:14  
this mans 37 

AP  25:17  
that boy old, 

Jay  25:18  
our artists are getting old man

AP  25:20  
they are, which is crazy but no its funny because he established himself in the early 2000s But he didn't. He didn't become Lucky Daye I guess until 2018. So that's when he actually, whats the word,  debuted. there's a word.

Jay  25:36  
Before that he was Unlucky Night. 

AP  25:41  
 unlucky night. Oh, man, you funny, no you think you funny. That's what you think, think you funny. but, no He debuted as Lucky Daye in 2018. And his first studio album dropped in 2019 Painted and I have to say that's one of my favorite r&b albums of I would say the 20 like the late 2010s Because it came out right before 2020. He was nominated for four Grammys off of the album back in 2020. Didn't win none. But his second studio album that he dropped last year Table for Two was nominated for two Grammys and it won for best urban contemporary album, I believe, from the Grammys so that man won a Grammy like last month, which is pretty crazy.

Jay  26:29  
That is pretty crazy. hot off the presses

AP  26:32  
we're talking about Lucky Daye because again, he won a Grammy this past month for an album that he dropped in 2021. But his recent album project that he had called Candy Drip came out again at the very beginning of March this year. And that's the album we'll be discussing today. Before we go any further. So Jay, what are your thoughts? 

Jay  26:32  
Well First of all 

AP  26:32  
Okay, yeah.

My thoughts. My thoughts on the album, or on Lucky Daye. Sorry, I cut you off.

At Both you can start with how you think about the man first and then you can talk about the album.

Jay  27:10  
What do I think about the man? Well,

AP  27:12  
 yeah,

Jay  27:12  
 I had never really I'd never really listened to Lucky Daye beforehand. I like r&b. I like r&b I just don't listen to too much of it. It's not like I don't like it. I just I just don't know too much about it. So AP puts me on all the good stuff including 

AP  27:29  
fair enough

Jay  27:29  
 including, including Lu, Luckycious Dayeshawn over here. Unlucky Night. He so I I went I went and I found all of his albums on Spotify. And listen, I listened to everything I listened to all three of his projects. I listened to Painted the deluxe one just because that was the first one that popped up. Table for Two

AP  27:53  
oh yea that one too

Jay  27:54  
 and Candy Drip, dude, Candy Drip, like that album cover? I know it's not real honey, but he just looks so sticky. He just look. He just look look so sticky. Like I know 

AP  28:05  
that's what everybody says 

Jay  28:06  
I just hope like 

AP  28:06  
but in a good way? 

Jay  28:10  
Have you ever had honey on your hands? It sucks. Everything sticks to your fingers 

AP  28:14  
Oh yea, my father is a beekeeper.

Jay  28:16  
Oh yeah, that's right. But like you'll touch your shirt, and all the lint will come up on your shirt. And your fingers will be the cover the color of like whatever shirt you have. And then your fingers like stick together. And then can you imagine on your whole body like your armpits, like sticking to your sides, and you can't even like move your elbows out. Because you're you're just

AP  28:34  
it's all in his eyes. 

Jay  28:35  
It's all in his eyes, you can't open it.

AP  28:37  
I can't open my eyes ah.

Jay  28:39  
I know they probably use like oil or something. That's probably what

AP  28:42  
  definitely like oil or Something, some special effects

Jay  28:43  
 but I'd like to think that it was honey and then I just like to think about him being real sticky. And then just like the sound of like his feet sticking to the floor. He's like walking away but my thoughts I really like his work. I the way I kind of thought about it feels like I don't know if this makes sense, but modern 70s music does that make sense? I don't know if that makes sense to you. But like the style that he has it got like a little funk to it especially like Painted

AP  28:43  
 Yeah, 

Jay  29:11  
it's got like that funky stinky bass and guitar. It's got those nice riffs like wow, and I'm like Yeah, yeah,I like that. If one thing about me, I love some stinky bass some stinky bass and some nice guitar riffs

AP  29:24  
put a little stank on it.

Jay  29:25  
 Little twang. 

AP  29:25  
lil Jimmy. lil Jimmy 

Jay  29:28  
little tang,

AP  29:29  
you say it's good it's good that you say that because again, he does have like a lot of I want to say his music is rooted in but it takes a lot of inspiration from funk, jazz, soul music of like the 60s 70s and then even like modern neo soul from like the early 2000s 90s too so

I definitely got that so yeah.

again he's from New Orleans. So he got that

Jay  29:51  
from New Orleans. But yeah, I wrote down in my notes here is a lot of like, like a jazzy kind of Lo Fi sort of feel to it. 

AP  29:59  
Mm. yup,

Jay  30:00  
 but yeah, those are those are my thoughts. I really like his musics got a little, little funky stank on it. Very romantic. This dude is going through it. He's going through it. Because Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

AP  30:00  
Nah I'm just playin, I'm just playin 

Jay  30:03  
But I don't know anything about music. The Master The Master is sitting right across from me we're in the same room actually. And he's right across from me. If we're going to touch hands right now you see?

AP  30:32  
I see you

Jay  30:33  
we yup, we're in the same room stop asking questions 

AP  30:35  
yea,

Jay  30:36  
 but let's hear about him.

AP  30:37  
It's probably gonna look really weird but Okay, so for me, again, I'm a Lucky Daye fan. I've would consider myself a Lucky Daye fan since 2019 When he dropped his first studio album Painted Candy Drip, again, I would say is a really good Lucky Daye Album for me. Like I said the previous episode. I'm a really big fan of listening for the flow of an album. And Lucky Daye does a really good job with that. Because there was I forgot let me pull it up because I wrote it down. I made notes this time. I made sure to you know, not mess it.

Jay  31:12  
We make notes every time What are you talking about?

AP  31:14  
Not that last episode, you can tell you see me you could tell. So like I said he had an excellent flow. I would say there were certain transitions. Like within it. It wasn't every single song. But the first two songs off of the album, Intro and God Body featuring Smino that transition, oooooo, It was good. It was good. 

Jay  31:41  
Yeah.

AP  31:42  
 Then again, for Feels Like to NWA featuring Lil Durk again. Oh hoo hoo, it was good

Jay  31:49  
real smooth, real smooth Smooth like butter

AP  31:50  
real smooth. And it's just and it's one of those things where it just shows you how he's very, not meticulous. But like he's looking for the little things just to see. Just like that the entire flow and like how you feel for the entirety of the album. So it was one of those like 

Jay  32:06  
carries you through it

AP  32:06  
 that made me and that's and that's again, like I said, that's something that I really do like.  I listen for and I really like. And then my favorite songs off of the album. Guess that was my favorite song. Because again

Jay  32:07  
Off of uh Candy Drip?

AP  32:10  
Yeah, yeah, for Candy Drip. I'm talking about Candy Drip right now. So Guess that was my favorite song because he has certain moments certain breaks where he'd switched up his flow and his rhyme scheme and again I don't know how to explain it. But it was like, he's like fast singing and it's really catchy really catchy and then he like lets it sit. And it just like flows and then it goes right back into it that like but I did it at a dip. I did it to do like that part right there. Like that part of the song. Oh, it had me I was like every single time just like start rockin. Just start rocking. So that's that was my favorite song. Yeah, because I'm like, you just you just like getting into when he's doing it. But um, that was my favorite song, Over obviously. It was you know, came popular on TikTok really good Musiq Soulchild remix. 

Jay  33:08  
It was popular on TikTok? man, I'm not. I'm not on TikTok like that. 

AP  33:11  
It was huge. Like that was a huge sound on TikTok like, I'm not. I'm not that big on that side of TikTok, but it was huge. But those are like two of my favorite songs and NWA with Lil Durk.

Jay  33:21  
 Yeah, I was surprised to see Lil Durk on This

AP  33:25  
Nebraska brought up a good point that made sense, some weird things, the one bar that he had when he's talking about he loves loves fucking women and pulling out smelling it. We were like that's a little weird. That's a little. That's

Jay  33:39  
a little strange

AP  33:40  
.Only That part. I was like, That's a little weird Lil Durk. you need to get  yourself because we listenin and we listenin. 

Jay  33:46  
We see you, we see what you're doing

AP  33:48  
 But yeah, so those are some of my favorite songs off of the album. Again, I the draw to talk about Lucky Daye for the second installment of Into the Sound Booth was because again, it was like, what, two weeks ago now? Crazy. 

Jay  34:04  
Yeah, 

AP  33:29  
two weeks ago, I came back up. This is the same time that you know, 

Alex and Jaydin  33:29  
Jaydin got COVID

Jay  34:05  
Jaydin  got the COVID

AP  34:12  
it was, I flew up to Penn State for the blue and white game. Not even to go to the game but just see the homies and tailgate and party. And it us two and our other two friends were all four of us were supposed to go to the Lucky Daye concert in Philly together. But again, this man got the COVID our other friend was like uh, I didn't know we still doing that. So should I name drop Nebraska

Jay  34:12  
You don't have to name drop Nebraska but you already did it, you already did it so like 

AP  34:44  
Yeah. Okay, so. So me and my other homie Nebraska, Nebraska and I we went to the concert together in Philly. And it was so funny. It was so funny. We got there. And it was all couples, literally all couples.

Jay  34:58  
Yea see that was that's I was,

AP  35:00  
This was like, this is one of those concerts. So we pulled up and Nebraska was like this date. And I was like, no, no, it's not a date. We just homies seeing the homie. But yeah, so that was cool. It was really cool because again, like I love music, but I haven't really been to that many concerts. I will say this was like, my fourth or fifth concert I've ever been to 

Jay  35:22  
fourth or fifth mmm

AP  35:22  
and Joyce Weice, Joyce Wrice, she was Lucky Dayes opener. And we showed up a little late so we only saw the end of her set. But that girl is fine. And when I say she can sing, they were singing, she was singing She had backup dancers she was doing and she was killing it. But again, I want to talk about Lucky Daye because ended up going to his concert. So I wanted to talk about the concert. Let me pull up my notes again. So this was the Lucky Daye Candy Drip. So this was the concert or tour I guess for his Reese his most recent album, I would say he wasn't that late, which was kind of nice. Because you know, some artists was

Jay  36:01  
it was pretty early cause some concerts be runnin mad late. 

AP  36:01  
They'd be like, 45 to like two hours late. I would say he was like 35 minutes from the start time you could say and he pulled up that man was smooth. I was like, I was talking to Nebraska and I was like, Man, I want to be like him someday. That man pulled up with black pants, a red silk dress shirt, glasses a blazer on look as smooth as all get out. And I was like man, I was like man, and when I say like his band, he had a drummer keyboardist and a guitarist, them brothers, they knew how to play. They knew how to play together, like their ability not to match each other. But the energy that they had was phenomenal. And like the lighting that they had set up in the arena, matching the music, because the whole

Jay  36:50  
like went with like the tempo and stuff like it changed colors or something 

AP  36:54  
Yeah, yeah, it changed. It changed colors, Flash strobe lights, the whole nine yards. Like what you want to see in like a concert, especially like a soulful concert with you trying to be really immersed in it. They had it. So it was it was phenomenal. Like the music that there. Ooh, it was good. And then Lucky Daye again, he showed up. And that man had really good stage. He had a really good stage presence as well. He was he was working the stage he was interacting with the audience. There was one point in time where he took the silk red shirt off. And then he changed into a wife beater. The man took a towel wiped it, threw it into the crowd everybodies goin ahh. Yeah

Jay  36:54  
Lil Durk caught it and smelled it like

AP  37:35  
yep now listen, I'm about to get to that in a second

Jay  37:40  
Oh, no.

AP  37:42  
 Then he took like, he had like a drum stick. Threw that thing into the audience. He has some money threw that thing into the audience, this is at sever, this at separate parts. And then Nebraska. Again, I, I would say I would consider Nebraska a bigger Lucky Daye fan than I am even though I'm also a pretty big fan. He said that every single concert he always brings some girls up to the stage to like serenade because you know, r&b, some r&b Singing type things

Jay  38:05  
he gotta like flex on all of us

AP  38:06  
he's Gotta do it

Jay  38:07  
show us how lame we all are

AP  38:07  
he brought up two girls, that man brought up two girls on stage. And they weren't doing nothing. They're like, I'm not trying to say like, they had to do something. But they're just standing there just looking awkward. And I was like, Man, what you doin

Jay  38:17  
I mean, like, what? What can you do when you're on stage, though? Like they could they could have been shy? You know? I don't know.

AP  38:23  
Could you could at least like hyped up the crowd or been like, 

Jay  38:26  
what if those were like 

AP  38:27  
yea, getting into it?

Jay  38:27  
What if those are the only two girls in the whole venue that didn't know any Lucky Daye content? And they were they were just like

AP  38:27  
I'm just here because my friend brought me here. And I'm just standing here

Jay  38:27  
that would have that would have been me. That would have been me. I would have been like,

AP  38:27  
See,

Jay  38:27  
 Yeah, 

AP  38:27  
I would of at least hit a, at least hit a Milly Rock or something, I don't know. Maybe hit them folks one time you know,

Jay  38:47  
 hit a mean ass whip bring the whole stage 

AP  38:52  
no but he brought two girls on stage and right as he was leaving, that man took a towel. wiped it all the way down his body because at this point, I forgot  at this point in time, he ripped his his his beater his tank top, he ripped it off and threw that to the audience so that man was just getting naked. He was getting naked and throwing stuff. Then so at that point, he had a towel and he wiped it all down his body into his pants, rubbed a little bit and gave it to them. And he's like, what's up? And then and then they left and I was like

Jay  39:21  
, you know, 

AP  39:22  
all the other stuff was like

Jay  39:23  
That's kinda some old head shit

AP  39:24  
all the other stuff. Yeah. Because again, that mans 37 years old. 

Jay  39:27  
Yea thats some old head shit

AP  39:28  
. That makes good music. And that man like he his I want to know his skin regimen, his skin routine because that man had like, the smooth like, Man, my skin does not look like that. So I was like 

Jay  39:39  
maybe it's the honey that he's always bathing in. And that was probably the that was the picture probably

AP  39:43  
The sticky honey, that's the key. 

Jay  39:45  
He weren't even in the studio. He was just like in his bathtub and they just like, burst in there and they took a picture of that's how they got that 

AP  39:51  
I need like five tons give me like five pounds of pure honey and just dump it. Could you imagine just sitting there with the tub and it's just slowly just leaking and just sitting there for like 30 minutes just waiting for it. And then sploosh hits him, anyways, but I will say

Jay  40:07  
what do you do when someone gives you a sweaty towel man like what do you do

AP  40:14  
hold it

Jay  40:14  
hold it

AP  40:14  
sniff it 

Jay  40:14  
ew

AP  40:15  
Lil Durk that man smells it after he pulls out you know

Jay  40:23  
Yea Lil Durk would smell it, Lil Durk would smell it he like, he likes a lil twang he likes the tang

AP  40:24  
NWA look up the words, I swear. Anyways, but like I was gonna say that man Lucky Daye he knows how to sing like, like his voice was good.

Jay  40:34  
Yeah, man. I liked my thoughts on Candy Drip. I actually have some controversial opinions I'm about to make some people upset. Because I like to stir the pot 

AP  40:44  
say em. say em its okay 

Jay  40:45  
I will well Actually, I was gonna say this,  I didn't want to cut you off earlier on. On Guess I was reading I like to read like reviews of stuff, you know, to kind of get a little more information. Apparently he borrowed a melody from Usher's You don't have to call on Guess. At least I think it was Guess

AP  40:45  
 Oh, yeah. It was in the very beginning. 

Jay  40:56  
Yeah, 

AP  40:56  
 it was in the very beginning

Jay  41:03  
 Which I thought was pretty cool. Kind of paid homage to Usher. Because Usher was Usher used to be the smooth boy. Way back in the 2000s. But then they were but they're active at the same time. Because he was. Whoa, that's crazy. That's crazy. Wow. Anyway. 

AP  41:18  
That mans old. 

Jay  41:20  
But yeah, I'm gonna say right here. I think Painted was way better than Candy Drip Candy Drip was kind of okay. I'm gonna I liked most of the songs. I likedmost of the songs 

AP  41:34  
Painted is still my number one.

Jay  41:36  
Painted is your number one. Number one or Candies your number one.

AP  41:39  
Painted. That's my number one.

Jay  41:41  
Okay, okay, good. Good, good, good, good. But I will say that some of his songs it like when I listened to Painted, Painted had like a like a theme with it. Like it felt like it was him. And Candy Drip just kind of felt like he was trying to do stuff that he doesn't really know how to do. Does that make sense? 

AP  42:00  
HmmmOkay. 

Jay  42:01  
Like, I don't again, I don't really know Lucky Daye that well. I only listened, I don't know if he has any more music out there that I couldn't find. But from what I listened to. It felt like he was trying to branch out a little bit too much. Because some of the songs are kind of poppy. Like the sound of like radio hits. 

AP  42:14  
Yeah,

Jay  42:14  
 or something that you listen to when you're like in a store. And I thought  as much as I liked God Body God Body was kind of like that Feels Like NWA and Cherry Forest. Those the ones that I thought were kind of like Poppy. Like you could hear them on the radio hits type music.

AP  42:30  
 Yeah,

Jay  42:30  
 that didn't feel like it was him like it still had his voice and like his style to it. But it felt like he was trying to do something they didn't really know too much about with at least those those songs but I liked but I still liked NWA. I liked Candy Drip, Over, Compassion, Touch Somebody the Interlude. And I don't normally like interludes. So that shows you how much I liked that song. I hate outros. I hate interludes. Stop putting them in albums. Used to be i liked, used to be, fever, and fucking so I'm not gonna lie.

AP  43:02  
 Yeah.

Jay  43:03  
 Some of these songs put me in my bag. I was like, Oh,

AP  43:07  
thats a r&b thing.

Jay  43:09  
That's what  r&b does to you. Makes you feel bad about yourself.

AP  43:14  
That's true. See, and the thing that you talked about interludes and outros Another thing about Lucky Daye that I like, just from like, an artistic point of view is that he has different poetic breaks I would, that's what I would say. And he he's done that throughout that I think that's like one of like, the biggest staples of his, like, who he is and like the music that he makes that he has different breaks, whether it is like a full song interlude, or like the very beginning or at the very end of a song. Or he has like just a moment where like, the music kind of just settles and he's just doing slam poetry basically. That's like one of the things I liked the most about him just as a person that used to do stuff like that. So just like That's what's up like I see you

Jay  43:57  
his poetic breaks Yeah, I see you I see you.

AP  43:59  
and Then the thing that now that you mentioned that about you know r&b Make you feel some type of way the thing I was gonna say about r&b is I do truly have a love hate relationship with r&b because of that because r&b. In my opinion, it makes you feel like one of two emotions. Either one either makes you horny. Either makes you horny or itmakes you sad. Like I'm being straight up like either horniness or sadness. Or you gonna be or you gonna be sad thinking about something that's gonna make you horny, or you're gonna be horny then you'll get sad because you're talking about someone else. Yeah. Exactly. So so so you end up being but you start with one but you end up being both so it's just like I have a love hate relationship with r&b

Jay  44:41  
and then you're crying bricked up in your bedroom. And then what are you going to do?

AP  44:44  
By yourself you by yourself? What you goin do what you goin do nothing. You can't do nothing you just goin cry, you just goin cry, but no um so some of my final thoughts  about the concert. Again, I really liked it. Except there wasn't any special guests. I know he took out. I know, he brought out Jazmine Sullivan for the Maryland concert. But he didn't for Philly even though she's from Philly,

Jay  45:12  
yea that was weird. I don't know why I was surprised when she didn't pull up to that.

AP  45:16  
Everybody was like, Ooh, she got to she was there the last time or not the last time the last show. But there wasn't any special guests. Again, the band did a great job. And Lucky Daye, he can sing like that boy can sing. But the only downside, the only problem that I had was that the mixing was just completely off, like the 

Jay  45:35  
really,

AP  45:35  
the um, the audio or not like completely off, but just his vocals and his mic was not turned up high enough. So there was points in time in the show where the band was kind of drowning him out, almost

Jay  45:49  
 Okay, 

AP  45:49  
or like, you're trying to really hear him, but you can't because like, he just is not that because he um, he doesn't project really loud. Like, there's certain singers that can see, like, 

Jay  46:01  
he's kind of like soft spoken with his singing

AP  46:03  
Yea yea he's a softer singer. But again, he's he's still really good at what he does. But just the mic itself just was not turned up loud enough compared to the bands. And I looked at a couple of different articles. And there was a, I forget what her what her name was. But she writes about, like, tour reviews and like music reviews, and she kind of said the same thing, like a month ago. So it must be something that they like just had off the entire tour, I guess. I don't know.

Jay  46:31  
 maybe sound technician was just not not good 

AP  46:35  
Yeah.Yeah. So that was really that was like the only downside to it. I mean,

Jay  46:40  
and because you were upset because you didn't get his sweaty towel or his his tank top. You didn't get to take that home

AP  46:43  
Nah I was good. I was hugging the wall. I was glad I was I was at my distance I was able to see and I had a good time. I was like, I ain't trynna get your sweaty towel. That's weird I want to be you. But I don't want to I don't want to have what you have, you know. So wrapping up. I'm kind of going off of what Jaydin said, Out of the three albums that he dropped. Painted Painted is still my favorite one. That's my favorite album, I think out of a select group of albums that are like, no skips, like for me the album. My voice just cracked. That album for me, is like that's that's a no skip like I will play that through completely Candy Drip I thought was good. But like you said that. Yeah, it did have some skips on it for me. And again, going off what you said there was definitely some commercial sounding type of songs. And then I really liked Table for Two because he had different artists that I've liked. The only artists that I really knew of was like Ari Lennox. I forgot how to say her name. Mahalia and like, Jazmine Sullivan and all the other female artists that he brought on for the album I never heard of, and they were really good. So yeah, so out of the three that came out, I would have them ranked in that order. So Painted Table for Two and Candy Drip even though like again, it's hard to rank them in that way, because I like all of them. But that's just you got to do this is how I see it. 

Jay  48:11  
Yeah, my ranking is Painted Candy Drip. The sound of a horse giving childbirth and then Table for Two. And that is only because because there are tons of outros on Table for Two AP 

AP  48:30  
Yeah, 

Jay  48:30  
and you knew that and you didn't tell me I hate outros

AP  48:34  
I'm sorry it's a surprise 

Jay  48:35  
that song. EP is 18 minutes long. And nine minutes of it is outros. I will not I will die on this. Oh man cannot stand outros Oh man. I don't want to hear you talk. If I wanted to hear you talk I would listen to a podcast. But I don't know 

AP  48:50  
 Our podcast,

Jay  48:52  
our podcast sample our podcast Lucky Daye. But yeah, that's my ranking. But Ari Lennox forever our queen.

AP  49:03  
Please come Please. To the podcast, please come to the podcast.

Jay  49:07  
 Please come to the podcast.

AP  49:08  
 Okay, so if you are a fan of Lucky Daye or you've never heard of Lucky Daye, and wanna give him a listen. Give him a listen. And if you want to check out similar artists, you can check out OG like throwback artists neo soulful, soulful, r&b singers like D'Angelo and Musiq Soulchild. Or if you're looking for something more contemporary something new check out Masego He he originated the term trap jazz. I've been a big fan of him for a very long time the man can play a ton of different instruments amazing singer. Check him out. Again, we shout out Jazmine Sullivan and Ari Lennox earlier. You should also check them out as well. So yeah, so that's it for the second installment second episode, whatever you want to say of Into the Sound Booth with AP  Yeah.

Jay  49:53  
Oh, wait, you didn't give you didn't give. Lucky Daye. Your ranking

AP  49:59  
 Oh,uh 

Jay  49:59  
how many How many how

AP  50:01  
we still, the ranking still in the

Jay  50:03  
how many

AP  50:04  
the works

Jay  50:05  
 how many uh sandwich crusts out of 10? Would you give him

AP  50:09  
out of the AP and Jay sandwiches shout out pb&j I will give him a solid four crust out of five of the whole sandwich

Jay  50:18  
 four crust out of five.

AP  50:20  
 four crusts out of five. That's almost a whole sandwich 

Jay  50:22  
except for Table for Two Table for Two gets negative crust 

AP  50:26  
that's all you, you give like one just for that  just for the outros.

Jay  50:32  
All right, well, thank you all so much for listening to this episode of the AP and Jay Show. I know it's a long one. But we had a lot of stuff to talk about that respectability politics is important. So please

AP  50:43  
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AP  50:51  
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Jay  50:53  
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Alex and Jaydin  52:49  
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 embargo Pandora boycott Pandora

AP  52:52  
we don't mess with Pandora over here

Jay  52:53  
all my homies hate Pandora 

AP  52:55  
Pandora, if you see this, you didn't.

Jay  52:58  
Your boxer has stayed closed. (idk???)

AP  53:03  
What?

Jay  53:04  
 it's a Greek mythology joke, nevermind. Anyway,

AP  53:08  
we rock with Egyptian mythology. Boy,

Jay  53:09  
thank y'all for tuning in and we'll catch you on

AP  53:11  
Blessed by the Sun God Amun-Ra

Jay  53:15  
thank y'all for tuning into this episode of the AP and Jay Show we will catch y'all on the flip side

AP  53:19  
thank y'all

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